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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:25 pm 
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Guys,

When you reach KABE-Allentown, PA, you're less than 100 miles from my real-life home. KRVL, Reedsville is to the West, it's 10 miles from the house. We got a localizer but only local traffic, and we have the second largest Amish community in PA, after Lancaster. Lake Raystown is nearby and should be visible from V106 southwest of KRVL. The Appalachian mountains start west of Harrisburg and last until the Ohio state line west of Pittsburgh. It's pretty here this time of year so fly VFR west into Pittsburgh before you fly home!

I've flown the Fuel Rte twice now. Trying to get usage to less than 2000 lbs. A windy day will help. Prevailing wind here is almost always west to east.



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Guys,

When you reach KABE-Allentown, PA, you're less than 100 miles from my real-life home. KRVL, Reedsville is to the West, it's 10 miles from the house. We got a localizer but only local traffic, and we have the second largest Amish community in PA, after Lancaster. Lake Raystown is nearby and should be visible from V106 southwest of KRVL. The Appalachian mountains start west of Harrisburg and last until the Ohio state line west of Pittsburgh. It's pretty here this time of year so fly VFR west into Pittsburgh before you fly home!

I've flown the Fuel Rte twice now. Trying to get usage to less than 2000 lbs. A windy day will help. Prevailing wind here is almost always west to east.

I lived 8 years in Center Valley PA about 10 miles south of Allentown duing the years 1970 to 1978. Most fun I had was my brothers the frat parties at Penn State U. This is not too far from where you live. :thumbsup:



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:49 am 
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George I am sorry to say you will have to try this flight again. this is all I have in your FSACARS log
2009/10/11 06:24:00]
Flight IATA:FLIGHT ed: 121 Knots Altitude 501 ft
07:09 TouchDown:Rate -355 ft/min Speed: 124 Knots
07:09 Land
07:09 Wind:000@000 Knots
07:09 Heading: 123
07:09 Flight Duration: 00:45
07:09 Landing Weight: 16556 Kg
07:09 POS N40 38 57 W075 26 17
07:10 Parking brakes on
07:10 Block to Block Duration: 00:46
07:10 Final Fuel: 44 Kg
07:10 Spent Fuel: 822 Kg
07:10 Flight Length: 260 NM
07:10 TOD Land Length: 101 NM

Looks like you closed your log 2 minutes after starting it. ???

Flight rerun. FS9.



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I am not sure what to do with your rerun. Take a look at your log?? This looks like, as it did in the first submission, that you are sending in only the final end of your log and the beginning is missing. I have no takeoff or beginning info.

[2009/10/13 11:34:00]
Flight IATA:FLIGHT 2 Knots
12:17 Flaps:1 at 219 Knots
12:17 Flaps:0 at 212 Knots
12:18 Flaps:1 at 208 Knots
12:19 Gear Down: 173 Knots
12:19 Flaps:4 at 173 Knots
12:20 Wind:000@000 Knots Heading: 124 Ground Speed: 162 Knots Altitude 1624 ft
12:21 TouchDown:Rate -368 ft/min Speed: 103 Knots
12:21 Land
12:21 Wind:000@000 Knots
12:21 Heading: 122
12:21 Flight Duration: 00:46
12:21 Landing Weight: 17901 Kg
12:21 POS N40 39 06 W075 26 34
12:24 Parking brakes on
12:24 Block to Block Duration: 00:50
12:24 Final Fuel: 1390 Kg
12:24 Spent Fuel: 866 Kg
12:24 Flight Length: 257 NM
12:24 TOD Land Length: 94 NM



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George, I had similar problems when I used the parking brake when holding short; it totally screwed up FSacars.



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Second try, used FSX :D



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Ok, so the point is to just come in for a full stop and have enough fuel to do a missed approach (and maybe land at an alternate if that is the case) plus 30 minutes of fuel?

I thought we were supposed to do the missed approach in the flight...

Remember, in order to fly a missed approach, you must first have flown the approach.

Take the ILS RWY 05 approach into Toronto. You get clearance from ATC, intercept the LOC , G/S comes alive, you start down in the clag... you cross Meadowvale NDB, still in IMC. 1900' , 4.1 nm from the MAP.. 3nm later, you come out of the cloud, runway in sight and above minimums, but still no landing clearance...Then you hear ATC "CVA1409, pull up and go around, departing traffic on runway".

There in the distance is one of those other ariline aircraft, just rejecting his takeoff roll trailing sparks from a blown tire....

You have just completed an approach, and are about to start the missed approach... climb to 1100', hdg 057 deg... turn left to intercept R182 to YEE, climb to 5000'... That part is the missed approach.

Then comes either a hold and re-sequencing into the arrival stream, or the diversion to an alternate.

If you divert BEFORE starting the approach, then that is a diversion, not a missed approach. You have to have started an approach to go missed - and this can happen any time from the start of the approach (loc more than 2 divs away, off GS etc..) all the way down to wheels down (and you realise there is no way you can stop in time... TOGA!). hence the need to plan for an approach, plus a missed approach.

Then if you divert, you need to fuel to get to your alternate, fly an approach there.

The extra 30/45 minutes...your regulatory mandated safety net, just in case!

So ... assuming everythign goes to plan first time, you will land with minimum fuel, plus diversion & approach fuel, plus missed approach fuel.



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Argh. I will not use FSPax for the next attempt. Nothing like in flight emergencies to make for a crazy flight. I do like to hear them scream though... :devil:



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CVA9214 wrote:
I am not sure what to do with your rerun. Take a look at your log?? This looks like, as it did in the first submission, that you are sending in only the final end of your log and the beginning is missing. I have no takeoff or beginning info.

[2009/10/13 11:34:00]
Flight IATA:FLIGHT 2 Knots
12:17 Flaps:1 at 219 Knots
12:17 Flaps:0 at 212 Knots
12:18 Flaps:1 at 208 Knots
12:19 Gear Down: 173 Knots
12:19 Flaps:4 at 173 Knots
12:20 Wind:000@000 Knots Heading: 124 Ground Speed: 162 Knots Altitude 1624 ft
12:21 TouchDown:Rate -368 ft/min Speed: 103 Knots
12:21 Land
12:21 Wind:000@000 Knots
12:21 Heading: 122
12:21 Flight Duration: 00:46
12:21 Landing Weight: 17901 Kg
12:21 POS N40 39 06 W075 26 34
12:24 Parking brakes on
12:24 Block to Block Duration: 00:50
12:24 Final Fuel: 1390 Kg
12:24 Spent Fuel: 866 Kg
12:24 Flight Length: 257 NM
12:24 TOD Land Length: 94 NM

I cant explain that at all. I was sure that all the data was there when I sent it. But clearly not. I'll try yet again!



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The suspense is killing me! I can't wait to see the results for this week! :O :p



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Yeah, I'm curious to see what happened with my latest entry. Since we only have 4 tries, I want to make sure I'm going at it the best way.



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Flight run again (for the third time - LOL). Did the report come through properly this tme?



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Flight rerun (4th attempt) - This time I know all the data came through :)



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Sorry about the delay posting more data I have been very busy. I will get this up done by Saturday morning eastern time. And Yes George all the data is there on your last flight. I am not sure what caused the problem before but I am glad it worked out.



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OK we have one week left. This is another spread of the data collected.


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