Please stop doing it.

(from the FAQ in the Pilot Handbook)



It's obvious when you do, stuff like this shows up in your pirep:

MaxSim Rate: 4x

lol - who's doing this?

It's not for me to say, just to remind those that do.

This also comes from the Pilot Handbook:



Management is informed and will take care of the rest.

The TOS here is very easy and common sense. To use the sim 4x is crazy and to me ruins a flight. CVA0014 I saw you last night on the Vatscope heading towards Vancouver. How was the center at CYVR, been a while since I flew into the CYVR on Vatsim? I'm usually learning and having fun with Edmonton and Winnipeg Ctr.

Centers would shut down just before I got to them.

That's fine, I still don't have a working mike on this PC. Great headset, boom mike just won't work right.

I'll also probably hang out the slow Centers once I get this thing working. I do listen in on other Centers as I fly, getting used to the procedures. But there are some guys that I just cannot understand; I think one ATC in Alaska is completely garbled.

Well the one guy I saw using it is still going at it loud and strong one week later. Either he doesn't read the forum, doesn't read his emails (assuming management sent him a love letter) or just plain doesn't care.

Management told me Kacars does not use virtual time, but actual time. So basically using 4X isn't giving him any undeserved hours. I haven't done the math on his list of pireps, but I'll take their word for it.

CYYC to HECA is 11:46 direct according to FlightSim Commander.

Taken from pirep:
[07:32] - Commercial Level Simulations 767-300 Air Canada
... preliminary stuff
[07:33] - Parking Brake Released
... flight
[14:33] - Parking Brake Applied
... post-flight stuff
[14:34] - MaxSim Rate: 4x

That's a total of 7 hours with only 1 minute before departure and after arrival. This is far from the estimated 12 hours or so from FSC, but it is not apparent when accel time was turned on and then off.

It took about 30 minutes to reach TOD and another 30 minutes to land. Assuming those were flown normal time, that would leave 6 hours of "flight".

If we assume 1 hour to take-off and land on the FSC flight as well, that leaves 10:46 of flight. Using 4x time, that should have left a little less than 3 hours of "real flight".

The math doesn't seem to add up. I think a little testing is in order to find out exactly how Kacars handles accel time.

11:46 hours for this flight is right but. KACARS logs only the flight time you spend at the PC. so @ 4x this flight would only take 25% of the time for about 3:00 hours would be logged. Robert when the log says 4x this is the max sim for the whole flight. In the beginning he was most likely at 1X and then went to 2X then 4X. this would explain the 7 hours. As far as a quick pre-flight (kick the tires and go) the pilot in question, could of started the sim engine running at the active runway. We have no rules making pilots start at the gates and so on. Remember this sim game is a hobby.

I removed the comment about the quick preflight 'cause I was wrong. We start Kacars when we're ready for pushback, a complete preflight doesn't show up.

We do not have a rule against starting on the active, but it's against VATSIM rules. But there's no record of the name or CVA id on vatsim so that comment was also removed.

I'm flying Montreal - Vancouver at 4X right now and everything is reporting fine in Kacars. Everything in the plane goes at 4X; the chrono, fly-bys, the screwups, etc, so this 4 hour flight will take about 1 hour and Kacars is in line with that. The messages in Kacars follow Windows time, not FS-X time.

Ooops, I pressed on the yoke as I typed and the plane took a dive and nearly overstressed. So now it thinks I started my descent somewhere over Winnipeg. lol

I started with 62,492 lbs of fuel and got a mid-air-refuel message just after TOC. I checked fuel consumption on the FMC and had plenty to reach Vancouver, so I don't know what's up with that. I don't have automatic refuelling, unlimitted fuel or anything like that enabled and never got that message before. Weird...

So basically guys that can't sit for more than 1 or 2 hours could do long-distance flights with Kacars at accelerated time as long as they remain offline.

I did not make the rule for the 4x. This was don long ago most likely to keep hours accumulation fair in that when we had manual pirpes folks would log 12 hours of flight when in actually they spent 3 hours in front of the PC as opposed to the hard core simmer who would spend the whole 12.

CYUL-CYVR, 09/08/2011, 05.01.23
CYUL-CYVR, 09/15/2011, 01.47.24

Used 4X for exactly 1 hour during cruise.

1:47 + 4:00 = 5:47

It took me a bit longer but I had a missed approach, came in too high. And then there was 30-100 headwinds until Manitoba, so things check out. You don't get undeserved flight hours in Kacars using accel time.

Rules are stated - rules are simple. The pireps should not be allowed. No argument or discussion, the way I see it.

Cheers Bill

If we need a clarification on the rule for Acars, put me down for not allowing any acceleration. On the other hand, I can see any number of CVAers saying that this is only a game and why not let people do what they want as long as they don't abuse the system.

I'd like to know how FSacars handles accelerated time (I use Kacars).

Number of flights don't affect promotions, so that stat is of little consequence.

But rules are rules, too bad some of the new guys didn't bother reading them.

Obsolete rules could always be addressed, through proper channels.

It is unfortunate that we get things like this happening. We may have to simply change the approval process for pilots one day if this continues...possibly create a short test on the rules to see if they have read them before actually approving pilots. I hope it does not have to get to a procedure like that.

We have a few simple rules and it will take folks all of 15 minutes to go through them....let's have everyone play by the same rulebook

Cheers!